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Sandman
11-05-2010, 10:52 AM
The thread for comics of all kinds. Spandex, small press, even the Sunday funnies (except for Marmaduke, seriously keep that shit away). Let's start with:

http://www.pbfcomics.sciesnet.net/archive_b/PBF249-Memorabilia.jpg
New Perry Bible Fellowship!

Really, not his best work. I liked his strip in the last issue of Strange Tales II better, but its always nice to see the site updated since it happens so rarely now.

Next up:


Vattu (http://rice-boy.com/vattu/) by Evan Dahm. If you guys haven't read Rice Boy and Order of Tales yet, you really owe it to yourself to do so. They're free online and are some of the most beautiful comics of the past few years. Dahm's fantasy world building and theological allusions are Tolkienesque (except since he's illustrating the stories they just look beautiful and breathtaking instead of getting bogged down in pages of meticulous description) and his lines, colors, and compositions are elegant and understated in a way that allows them to creep up on you and blow your mind. Vattu is his newest comic, and he updates it slowly so its best to read it in chunks and build up a queue for yourself but its definitely worth it.

Finally:

The Nerds of Paradise (http://www.thenerdsofparadise.com/)

Dale Beran, one half of the team behind arguably the best comic ever (http://www.alessonislearned.com/), is now writing and drawing a new comic that recaptures some of the haunting surreal qualities of A Lesson is Learned but the Damage is Irreversible. This one updates excruciatingly slowly as well, but is definitely worth a look.

Anybody pick up Bulletproof Coffin last week? I saw it on the shelf when I went in today and did my customary skim through and it looked as awesome as it always does, but I had to choose between that and Strange Tales II and the number of creators on Strange Tales II won out this week. With Batwoman coming out, and a new Orc Stain, and two back issues of RASL to track down, November is going to be a painful month.

maxwell's demon
11-05-2010, 01:07 PM
nice avatar. i'm gonna try to start doing reviews of my favorite indies in here

Mr Sparkle
11-05-2010, 02:55 PM
Dark Horse released a new "Beasts Of Burden" with Hellboy as a guest star.
it seems like a minor thing, but after his run on BOB I'd like to see Dorkin tackle something epic in size, I mean, I'm sure he could write a decent superhero and even if Mignola is credited as co-writer seems to me that both Dorkin and Thompson did a great job of bringing Hellboy into the BOB world, so much so infact that, normally non-mignola art kind of jars me out of the story a little because I'm so accustomed to it that when BPRD came out it was a little like a funhouse mirror world, but, even though Thompson almost always keeps it bright, she can portray good dread when she wants to, and all three of them did a wonderful job.

Sandman
11-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Yeah, I read the preview for it on the Dark Horse site. God Jill Thompson is incredible, and between her and Dorkin they nailed the delivery. Unfortunately I couldn't find it at my shop, and my wallet is already crying out in agony this month.

Mr Sparkle
11-08-2010, 07:44 PM
oh, Parker "The Outfit" is super-great-awesome.
I got it as a gift a few weeks ago and just around to reading it. moody as always and the art is fantastic, has the real deal period feel, and you have to ask why a movie about the character wasn't made before "oayback" which wasn't a really good adaptation of Parker.

maxwell's demon
11-08-2010, 08:48 PM
actually a few were made before payback, i think

Sandman
11-09-2010, 04:51 AM
New England Webcomics Weekend was pretty awesome.

Assassin
11-09-2010, 05:20 PM
Superman Earth One was way better than I expected. I hope they do a #2 :)

Sandman
11-10-2010, 02:13 PM
New ACME Novelty Library out today!

Wilhelm
11-12-2010, 03:40 PM
Has anyone said this?
I can save Wonder Woman.
Eventually with all heroes, a point comes where people have to "get back to basics"...they "reconnect" with what made the character great in the first place.
Everyone acts like Wonder Woman started on the Super Friends. They forget, when Wonder Woman started, it was a softcore, titillating bondage rag.
It was just Wonder Woman getting tied up, or tying up men, or other women...as the dude said on the DC documentary I watched last night,
"When I say it was 'frequent', I'm not saying someone got tied up, like, every issue. I'm saying, like, every page."

Recast Wonder Woman as a virtuous, patriotic heroine, who, darn it, keeps getting hogtied and chained spreadeagle to the front of giant pink rocket, who has to keep binding villains and slapping them when they don't answer questions. Mega-hit on your hands. :lspgentleman:

Assassin
11-12-2010, 06:47 PM
where did you see the dc documentary? is it the one called DC secret origin? i heard it came out on the 9th but no one has it :(

Wilhelm
11-12-2010, 07:39 PM
Yeah, I rented it on my PS3.
I don't recommend it to a comic fan.
It's made for people who know nothing about comic history.
It was grueling. I was hoping to see interviews with famous creators.

Creator-wise, worth seeing:


Louise Simonson weeping like a pathetic fucking baby while talking about the Death of Superman :rolleyes:
Pictures of Grant Morrison with a thick mop of hair and 3.5 seconds of him being interviewed.
Alan Moore looking like the biggest douche, as they obligatorily gloss over real quick, "Yeah, finally, with Watchmen, I had a comic I could, like, show to my professor! It was like, literature." ( wOw! :eek: Never heard that exact sentence said before! :eek: )
mind-blowingly pristine, musta been hella digitally enhanced, home movies of the two Jews who started DC comics and the two Jews who created Superman....if...watching 4 foot tall Jewish nerds stand in their front yards with their hands in their pockets, smiling, sounds, fun...
Awesome Julie Schwartz bragging, with a chuckle, that he not only saved DC, he also saved Marvel...by getting rid of the prissy Justice "society" and turning into a "league"...'cause kids don't care about "societies", they like baseball leagues, football leagues...( I had never not once made the connection between The Justice League and a Baseball League. :dood: )
Lots of sweet pics of Jenette Kahn, wh00! M.I.L.F. city.
Lots of tiny old Jews with orange teeth, finding different ways to tell us that they were fucking dweebs so they just wrote and drew about big, strapping, handsome heroes who were rich and successful and didn't get tongue-tied around women.
In case you haven't gotten enough face time with Mark Waid, about how DC comics are both better than Jesus and better than sex...tons and tons of Mark Waid, explaining to us, what a comic is, telling us about Seduction of the Innocent ( story nevuh gets old :up: ), why comics are fun, why comics are important...


Oh, and Neil Gaiman totally jinxing it by predicting that books will not survive, but he is 100% sure that whatever the format is, in 100 years, kids will be anxious to find out what Superman's up to. Jinxed. :rolleyes: He also said Oasis is going to be the next Beatles.





Other than that, if you:

are hazy on what the Golden, Silver, Bronze and Modern ages of comics are...


want to know who created Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman,


are excited to hear people explain that, in the 80's, Frank Miller brought a dark, adult edge to Batman with The Dark Knight Returns


would like to learn more about how Marv Wolfman is now a hideous revenant zombie with AIDS


'd like to see Neil Adams tell you about how, like, bold it was, how they had an old Black man confront Green Lantern and go, "Ah hurrd yoo dun a lot fo' them purple-skinned people and them green-skin peoplez, but when yoo gonna help the BLACK-skin people? Cracka?" and how Green Arrow found out Speedy was a JuNkIe?!?!?


Then it's the show for you.

Sandman
11-12-2010, 09:04 PM
People always get The Seduction of the Innocent story wrong.

Wilhelm
11-12-2010, 09:17 PM
Which part?

Sandman
11-12-2010, 09:28 PM
Wertham's motivations, what the book actually says (very few people who talk about it have ever read it, I've only read excerpts because the book is insanely expensive and its one of those books that people take out of libraries for the purpose of burning it), and they never mention that Wertham changed his mind a few years after the Senate Hearigs and actally came to the conclusion that comics could be either good educational tools or at least came to respect the art form if never coming to terms wth the contet.

Wilhelm
11-12-2010, 09:58 PM
mmmm

Assassin
11-12-2010, 10:07 PM
you crushed my dreams wilhelm :(

i already saw most of that stuff in the 2 part history channel documentary anyways :mad:

maxwell's demon
11-12-2010, 10:37 PM
ok...so, the new Acme...

"LINT".

It's rough stuff.

This is ostensibly a further entry in the Rusty Brown serial, but its really an excuse for Ware to do another of his character studies/explorations/dissections/autopsies. In this issue: Jordan(Jason)Lint, a character who went to high school with Rusty Brown, and who we saw in previous Rusty issues for a few panels.
In terms of formalism, Ware delivers as usual. His page layouts, type treatments, and color work are all solid and expand his palette a bit,, and he does some uncharacteristically surprising things at certain points that i won't mention here, but you'l know when you see'em.
In terms of content, its a depressing freight train. That could be said for all of his stuff, but i found this more depressing than usual, in part because of the speed at which the story rushes by. We see him run into Rusty for a brief moment, and that's about all we've got to tie it into the bigger arc (will Rusty get collected into a long hardcover once it's complete? will this be included? i dunno).
Ware elevates the 'story' slightly with some third act curveballishness, but its still pretty rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhh teeth clenching relentlessness.

So, i mean, as an art object, we worth it. As another edition to Ware's library, same. As a story? well, it's not a story. not really. this definitely fits square into the diagrammatic subdivision of his stuff, and i was really hoping he'd be pushing more into story territory. but the worst Ware comic is usually richer than a dozen respectable comics. so, yeah.

jackrabbit
11-12-2010, 10:47 PM
Has anyone read "Scalped?"

Kind of like...The Departed on an Indian Reservation. It was interesting. The story was kind of predictable and by-the-numbers, but it was a fun read. Violent, filthy and dark. Very Vertigo.

I wouldn't recommend buying it, but if you get a chance to pick it up, go for it.

Assassin
11-12-2010, 10:51 PM
didn't know you read comics :eek:

ever read Y the last man?

jackrabbit
11-12-2010, 10:57 PM
I don't read comics regularly anymore, I haven't for about five years. And I steer mostly clear of superhero shit that's in continuity. That's just far too much to keep up on. I mostly just pick up trades here and there.

And yes, I own every Y book.

Assassin
11-12-2010, 11:02 PM
you da man petey :fingerguns:

Wilhelm
11-12-2010, 11:34 PM
you crushed my dreams wilhelm :(

i already saw most of that stuff in the 2 part history channel documentary anyways :mad:I saved you some skrilla and time, the fire in which we all burn, dawg.

Assassin
11-12-2010, 11:37 PM
i kno, das why you ma nigga :fingerguns:

Sandman
11-13-2010, 12:10 AM
My friend scanned the first few pages of his copy of ACME Novelty for me. Looks much more diagramatic than the other stuff he's been doing for Rusty Brown.

Sandman
11-13-2010, 05:21 PM
I haven't read the story yet, and I wouldn't have caught it if I did, but this is pretty cool. (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/11/farel-dalrymple-gets-some-help-from-john-buscema-for-strange-tales-ii-story/)

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/howtodraw.jpg

Sandman
11-13-2010, 07:29 PM
Has anyone said this?
I can save Wonder Woman.
Eventually with all heroes, a point comes where people have to "get back to basics"...they "reconnect" with what made the character great in the first place.
Everyone acts like Wonder Woman started on the Super Friends. They forget, when Wonder Woman started, it was a softcore, titillating bondage rag.
It was just Wonder Woman getting tied up, or tying up men, or other women...as the dude said on the DC documentary I watched last night,
"When I say it was 'frequent', I'm not saying someone got tied up, like, every issue. I'm saying, like, every page."

Recast Wonder Woman as a virtuous, patriotic heroine, who, darn it, keeps getting hogtied and chained spreadeagle to the front of giant pink rocket, who has to keep binding villains and slapping them when they don't answer questions. Mega-hit on your hands. :lspgentleman:

First I was thinking that this would never work because it would just be cynical sex sells marketing and would have none of Marston's earnest desire to save America from her sexual repression that gave Wonder Woman the sincerity that the other sexpot superheroines of her time lacked and also made for the kind of bizzare and disturbing imagery that only such idealistic intentions could create.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RRIGqzPDF00/SYT-PoDToHI/AAAAAAAAD9k/SPad5FvPdrk/s400/ww+hairbrush+spanking.jpg

But then I read this article at Robot 6 about erotic comics (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/11/six-by-6-six-x-rated-comics-you-can-read-without-shame/) and started thinking about the Eros crew of cartoonists. Oh man, could you imagine a "back to bondage basics" Wonder Woman by Los Bros and Colleen Coover?:inlove::crazy::o

Wilhelm
11-15-2010, 02:48 PM
Los BrosThat is it.
That is it.
Why hasn't that happened?
Has to happen.
No time to spare.

Wilhelm
11-15-2010, 09:22 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/201011151037-tm.jpg

Hahahan ape will die on every page.

Sandman
11-15-2010, 09:59 PM
Hey Wil, you seen these?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oy9Ib8PN9PE/TMXt3_v5nEI/AAAAAAAAEyc/6XNj47s4rH0/s1600/10_JaimeHernandez.jpg
http://www.wonderwomanmuseum.com/WWDay2/GilbertHernandez_WWD07.jpg

Mee
11-16-2010, 10:56 PM
Hahahan ape will die on every page.

Ahahah sold

maxwell's demon
11-16-2010, 11:41 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d_MYpkKUMjI/TD2waOwmS2I/AAAAAAAACCw/FPpUXPEp8v8/s1600/Duncan-the-Wonder-Dog-Vol-01-Show-One-SC.jpg

is AMAZING so far

inerview: http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/book-news/comics/article/45103-adam-hines-on-creating-duncan-the-wonder-dog-.html


he mentions it in there, but its got a heavy ware influence, but its not pastiche like ethan persoff's old stuff. Hines focuses on ware mainly in terms of composition, and it really works.

Sandman
11-17-2010, 12:20 AM
I keep seeing everybody talk about this, but I haven't seen any interiors till now. Looks great, but I'm going to hold off till you finish it.

Wilhelm
11-17-2010, 03:10 PM
Hey Wil, you seen these?No.
Made me uncomfortable. :up:

Assassin
11-17-2010, 04:37 PM
we need Jake in here, well I need Jake in here. who will I talk my DC Comics with? Who will call me a dumb ass because i read main stream comics? :(

Wilhelm
11-17-2010, 05:22 PM
I need Jake in here, in Music and I do not need him in Fashion.

Lackey
11-17-2010, 05:28 PM
I need Jake in here... down there

Mee
11-18-2010, 06:43 PM
Who's gonna take up the torch of saying "rommy j"??

Wilhelm
11-18-2010, 06:56 PM
Fuck that. It's over.
We say "Romita the Lesser" now.

Assassin
11-18-2010, 07:02 PM
speaking of which, Kick ass 2 was 'ight

Sandman
11-18-2010, 07:13 PM
Assassin: I will talk DC comics with you and I'll even shit on your worth as a human being if you really really want me to. Write me a review.

Mee: did Jake ever post this Rommy J art?
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/7/10/4c90f7c6a7486/detail.jpg
I love Mr. Fantastic's hands. I also love Dr. Strange's magic penis hands.

for Jake.:hodeitup:

Assassin
11-18-2010, 07:21 PM
sandman, thanks but it's not the same :(

Sandman
11-18-2010, 08:14 PM
Fuck that. It's over.
We say "Romita the Lesser" now.

Never!

Mee
11-18-2010, 10:56 PM
Is that Xavier walking?


Fun fact I discovered, Bruce Timm draws a lot of porn. (basically) :huh: I was researching him for a prresentation and even with my search filter on I got all these nudies. Even one of Mr. Fantastic and Sue getting it on. Needless to say, those didn't make it into the presentation. :o

Found some cool Star Wars stuff of his (not porn) I'd never seen though. :up:

Sandman
11-19-2010, 01:47 AM
Bruce Timm draws a tooooooooooooooon of porn. So did Joe Shuster and Wally Wood.

No Sex For Wilhelm
http://www.brendanmcgetrick.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/disneyorgy.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Kinky_Joe_Shuster.jpg

:ninja:

Sandman
11-19-2010, 01:49 AM
This guy collects all of it.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/3605587407_93c95066fc.jpg?v=0

Mee
11-19-2010, 02:17 PM
Haha, yeah

Sandman
11-19-2010, 09:41 PM
Stokoe's Silver Surfer story is in Strange Tales II after all!
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ST2_Stokoe_Page_1.jpg
:eek::eek::eek:

AND Michael Deforge
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ST2_DeForge1.jpg
hahahaha:inlove:

And don't forget HARVEY FUCKING PEKAR!

Wilhelm
11-19-2010, 10:02 PM
I like how you spend years on the Hype perusing the Marvel section, the DC section, the Hell Boy section, the Sin City section, the favorite artist thread, the Alan Moore thread, etc.

Then you go to LSP and it's all boiled down to The Marvel thread, the DC thread and the Independent thread.

Then you go to BTK and it's all boiled down to "Comics".
'Cause there were times...like, I want to talk about Jack Kirby himself...as a comic book creator, and he pretty much created Marvel, and DC is still generating profits from his work (There was a time when you could've just renamed it Darkseid Comics), and he had his awesome Pacific Comics period...so where do I talk about that? Comics. :up:

Mee
11-19-2010, 10:06 PM
That Galactus took like a billions years to draw, then he gives Silver Surfer lady hips :huh:

Lackey
11-19-2010, 10:06 PM
Bruce Timm draws a tooooooooooooooon of porn. So did Joe Shuster and Wally Wood.

No Sex For Wilhelm
http://www.brendanmcgetrick.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/disneyorgy.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Kinky_Joe_Shuster.jpg

:ninja:


Sandman, my mom said I'm not allowed to go over your house anymore.

Sandman
11-19-2010, 10:26 PM
Only Kirby drew a better Galactus.:inlove: I'm cool with making the Surfer androgynous, it works.

Sandman
11-19-2010, 10:27 PM
Sandman, my mom said I'm not allowed to go over your house anymore.
:wut:

Daisy
11-19-2010, 10:36 PM
I like how you spend years on the Hype perusing the Marvel section, the DC section, the Hell Boy section, the Sin City section, the favorite artist thread, the Alan Moore thread, etc.

Then you go to LSP and it's all boiled down to The Marvel thread, the DC thread and the Independent thread.

Then you go to BTK and it's all boiled down to "Comics".
'Cause there were times...like, I want to talk about Jack Kirby himself...as a comic book creator, and he pretty much created Marvel, and DC is still generating profits from his work (There was a time when you could've just renamed it Darkseid Comics), and he had his awesome Pacific Comics period...so where do I talk about that? Comics. :up:

You can start more threads, you know. There is no officially sanctioned limit on comic-related thread topics.

Just sayin...

Sandman
11-19-2010, 10:39 PM
I don't think he was being sarcastic. I've got a good thing going here Daisy.:mad:

Charles Brodin
11-19-2010, 10:46 PM
It was funny when he called it BTK.

Daisy
11-19-2010, 10:50 PM
Thanks to kypade I now call it kindle volkswagen. Clearly we should've let him name the place.

Daisy
11-19-2010, 10:51 PM
I don't think he was being sarcastic. I've got a good thing going here Daisy.:mad:

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll just stay out of it then. :O

Sandman
11-19-2010, 11:12 PM
Nah, it's cool. We gay.:inlove:

Wilhelm
11-19-2010, 11:35 PM
I like, you wanna talk about comics, you go to "Comics".

I would hate that with movies or, anything else though. :huh::huh::huh:

Sandman
11-20-2010, 02:03 AM
http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ST2_Pekar-Templeton1.jpg

Haha Ben Grimm went to Hebrew School with Pekar. They studied Torah.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/11/st2benjamin-marrapage1.jpg

Marra is a strange beast. I'm still not sure if I like him. I know I like Rugg a lot more.

Assassin
11-20-2010, 03:29 AM
ewww

Sandman
11-20-2010, 03:40 AM
Superman Earth One was way better than I expected. I hope they do a #2 :)

I thought I said something about this but I guess I didn't? Anyway I think this comic kinda shows that all of these characters best years are behind them. They're iconic sure so you can always make them look good, but everything's gone in the Wildstorm direction and while that's already starting to feel old, its made worse when you try to shoehorn in even older characters who represent such different cultural norms. I loved the coloring and the artist made Superman look the best I've seen in recent memory this side of Darwyn Cooke, but the story felt twice as played out. I know Superman's origin, and I know the angsty hero with real world problems tropes, and I know the "badass David Bowie alien" routine and nothing new came out of mashing them together haphazardly. I guess it got some of the Ultimates crowd to give Superman a try but I don't see it bringing in new readers. I also don't see the point of bringing in adult themes to characters you know can't handle them. It makes sense for The Authority to punch the President of the United States into Iraq and dismantle the G8, but that is fundamentally impossible for Superman or Captain America but they try and bring them right up to the line and then shy back into the safe haven of black and white good guys vs. bad guys metric that these characters thrived in and the whole thing just ends up feeling banal and lifeless. I thought JMS wrote the Daily Planet staff really well, but the rest of it left me cold. Still, those colors could carry anything, absolutely stunning.

Sandman
11-20-2010, 03:43 AM
ewww

Yeah. He's got that throwaway nameless artist working on a shitty c-list rag that won't be remembered in a year style of drawing down pat. I kinda like it because I kinda like some of those throwaway rags and they have this weird transfixing quality to them kind of like a train wreck, but I also kinda hate it because Marra comes off as a bit of a prick and Rugg and Maruca also go after some of that style and do it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

Mee
11-20-2010, 03:53 AM
Guy's a pro at drawing uuugly women

Sandman
11-20-2010, 03:58 AM
heh yeah
http://www.benjaminmarra.com/images/comics/nbcover01.jpg
http://www.benjaminmarra.com/images/comics/nbcover02.jpg
http://www.familylosangeles.com/blog/uploaded_images/nb03_frontcover-707280.jpg

maxwell's demon
11-20-2010, 10:46 AM
i sent issue three of that to jimmy

Assassin
11-20-2010, 07:05 PM
Yeah. He's got that throwaway nameless artist working on a shitty c-list rag that won't be remembered in a year style of drawing down pat. I kinda like it because I kinda like some of those throwaway rags and they have this weird transfixing quality to them kind of like a train wreck, but I also kinda hate it because Marra comes off as a bit of a prick and Rugg and Maruca also go after some of that style and do it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

I can't even read stuff like that because of the art (the US Agent one) and mee is right lol

Sandman
11-21-2010, 07:01 PM
http://www.wonderwomanmuseum.com/WWDay_web/WWD_Jaimehernandez_l.jpg
http://www.wonderwomanmuseum.com/WWDay_web/WWD_GilbertHernandez_l.jpg
http://www.wonderwomanmuseum.com/WWDay_web/WWD_ColleenCoover_l.jpg
http://prismcomics.org/assets/5059.jpg

Sandman
11-21-2010, 07:42 PM
I really gotta catch up on RASL (http://www.boneville.com/2010/11/18/rasl-no-9-shipping-nov-24/)

Mee
11-22-2010, 03:47 AM
I dunno what the deal is behind this, I just like that Grant Morrison and Wilhelm have the same perverted (though mostly accurate :o ) idea of Wonder Woman


http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7665/20101115cc139.png

Sandman
11-22-2010, 11:52 PM
Nononononononono she's about so much more than "disturbed sexuality".:(

"Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."

"The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound ... Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society. ... Giving to others, being controlled by them, submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element."

Dr. William "Charles" Moulton Marston

Sandman
11-23-2010, 09:07 PM
Why do all the alt graphic novels have to come out in hardcover? I know we're an extra niche market and they need what money they can make and I'm sure those beautiful trade dresses go over much better at bookstores. But it sucks having to pick and choose because you know you have to drop at least twenty bucks to read the latest Al Columbia or Tony Millionaire or Jim Woodring.

maxwell's demon
11-23-2010, 09:49 PM
dont forget to leave room in your bags for stuff when you come to the wburg show. and don't forget to remind to to bring stuff.

Sandman
11-23-2010, 09:52 PM
I'll leave some room, but I think my budget is going to be beyond light for this one.

Assassin
11-23-2010, 09:59 PM
sandy have you read i kill giants?

maxwell's demon
11-23-2010, 10:00 PM
no, i mean the stuff imma give you free. i mean extra room. i think im going to want to unload at least 3 or 4 books, and i've got that copy of Essex County Trilogy i picked up too.

Sandman
11-23-2010, 10:05 PM
sandy have you read i kill giants?

I have the first issue that Image released. It's one of my huge comics regrets that I didn't pick it up when it started and I've been trying to track down the original pamphlets so I haven't read past issue one. I'm probably going to break down and at least take the collection out from the library if not just buy it because the first issue is amazing.

Assassin
11-23-2010, 10:10 PM
it sho iz good :up:

Sandman
11-23-2010, 10:11 PM
no, i mean the stuff imma give you free. i mean extra room. i think im going to want to unload at least 3 or 4 books, and i've got that copy of Essex County Trilogy i picked up too.

:inlove:

Sandman
11-23-2010, 10:45 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lccy0gkLSj1qf0aafo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1290642238&Signature=Y0FkpL%2FXGQinTINAR7cJPUFQq94%3D
Must try harder.

maxwell's demon
11-23-2010, 11:32 PM
Sandj, do you have that nate powell collection, sounds of your name? and how about x'd out ?

Sandman
11-23-2010, 11:59 PM
I have neither one.

maxwell's demon
11-24-2010, 12:25 AM
but you said a while ago that you like nate powell, right?

Sandman
11-24-2010, 12:49 AM
I like Nate Powell and Charles Burns.

maxwell's demon
11-24-2010, 01:28 AM
ok. and i might throw in either the eisner new york hardcover or masters of american comics or whatever its called. oh and the rebel visions hardcover. some of these are kind of heavy. bring helium balloons.

Assassin
11-24-2010, 01:57 AM
max, why?

maxwell's demon
11-24-2010, 02:18 AM
?

Assassin
11-24-2010, 02:26 AM
why do you give away things that you like?

maxwell's demon
11-24-2010, 02:42 AM
it makes me happy? i have too much anyhow.

Sandman
11-24-2010, 02:51 AM
You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

Assassin
11-24-2010, 05:45 AM
he's like santa

Sandman
11-24-2010, 06:08 PM
http://www.maakies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/888maakteaparty.png

Wilhelm
11-24-2010, 07:18 PM
Haha who cut up the snake?

Sandman
11-25-2010, 12:13 AM
Must try so much harder. (http://www.drewweing.com/settosea/?date=00010101)

Sandman
11-25-2010, 12:24 AM
Oni press is awesome. (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/11/onis-yo-gabba-gabba-board-comics-take-longer-to-eat-than-regular-ones/):inlove:

Sandman
11-25-2010, 01:26 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcewk2q5lT1qf0aafo1_500.jpg
:eek::inlove:

Moebius should do a full Little Nemo Revival.

Sandman
11-25-2010, 01:27 AM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcewhfaaJP1qf0aafo1_500.jpg

Mee
11-28-2010, 03:34 AM
What's the best place to find out how much a comic is worth? Google failed me.

Sandman
11-28-2010, 06:40 AM
Haha who cut up the snake?

http://www.harkavagrant.com/history/277-joinordiesm.png

Sandman
11-28-2010, 08:04 PM
Batwoman #0 was short, but I dug it The highlight of the book is the collaboration of Williams and Reeder as the story is just a recap of information viewed through Batman;s eyes. The story is simple and the two artists tell it pretty simply. Kate is a vixen of a party girl with rigid defenses and emotionally distant, Batwoman is a one woman army who breaks free of her barriers while stalking the night. Reeder handles Kate's scenes with an elegant line and facial expressions that almost reminded me of Pia Guerra. Her panels are Mondrian in layout with a sense of meticulous attention to balance and Stewart colors her section with warm background tones that make Kate's pale skin seem out of place. Meanwhile Williams handles Batwoman with his usual multimedia approach, with overlays that defy attempts to lock a grid over the page, Stewart's colors here are dark and cool backgrounds that make Batwoman's red hair and costume pop out and demand your full attention. They both share the page spreads and mirror each other in very effective ways, and the page where the two artists meet as Batman finally sees that Kate and Batwoman are the same person is worthy of being framed. However, if that story sounded dull its because it is. What makes Batwoman interesting isn't her similarities to Batman, everybody in that circle of characters has the same basic childhood trauma. What makes Batwoman interesting is Kate's independence, her relationship with her father, her military history and the reasons she decided to become a superhero. None of that was in here and even though the artists did a fantastic job they're own efforts are constrained by the simplicity of the story. This review of the original Detective Comics run by Jog (http://www.savagecritic.com/jog/a-review-of-batwoman-in-detective-comics-focusing-mostly-on-the-art/) notes how Williams Baroque art managed to get across in Batwoman's first encounter with Batman that it was on her terms textually and iconographically. That's never really the case here and while I understand that Batman is a good device for a recap and definitely sells comics I think giving his gaze precedence over the story does Kate's character a disservice. Still Williams preview art looked tremendous and they're still apparently interested in moving in and out of genres if the haunted ghost house setting is anything to go by, and that leuitenant is back, and Reeder and Williams are both at the top of their game and I can't wait to see what they do with the book so as long as Batman keeps his distance for the series proper then I am in.

Mee
11-30-2010, 04:16 AM
Apparently Bendis/Maleev have a Moon Knight series in the works, they might as well just do Batman :inhate:

Sandman
12-01-2010, 12:46 AM
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/md01cover-700x528.jpg
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/md01prev01.jpg


Ok Marra. You win this round.

Sandman
12-01-2010, 12:50 AM
What if DC published Marvel in the 60's?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e-y-Rrz58H4/TMx97HiTJxI/AAAAAAAABK4/VgyAGoM05Ho/s1600/DC_SpiderMan.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_e-y-Rrz58H4/TM4QNHdsRlI/AAAAAAAABLA/lXCtyj3SzjE/s1600/DC_Captain_America.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e-y-Rrz58H4/TPKM7y0-50I/AAAAAAAABLc/dKOstA9LQKM/s1600/DC_Ghost_Rider.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_e-y-Rrz58H4/TPMicvA57bI/AAAAAAAABL0/Rs0YDtNM5QI/s1600/DC_Heroes.jpg

by Kerry Callen.

maxwell's demon
12-01-2010, 01:33 AM
like



also:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Edv_j67SO3w/TLENi0nsm8I/AAAAAAAAAKw/wiQLLbYJSvo/s1600/MsMarvel07-06.jpg

Mee
12-01-2010, 04:28 AM
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/md01prev01.jpg


Ok Marra. You win this round.

Nice Joan Rivers face

Sandman
12-01-2010, 03:15 PM
The Ditty Bops make comics. (http://www.thedittybops.com/What.html):inlove::inlove::inlove:

Sandman
12-01-2010, 03:15 PM
The Ditty Bops make comics. (http://www.thedittybops.com/What.html):inlove::inlove::inlove:

Wilhelm
12-01-2010, 09:43 PM
Those Marvel as DC :eek::eek: best thing I've seen in passages of time

The haha Ghost Rider jet pack handles, and Captain America saying he has to eat it or he'll die...so accurate hahaha


Also, the Mind Ripper made him tall and strong, yes...:huh:

Sandman
12-02-2010, 04:24 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d_MYpkKUMjI/TD2waOwmS2I/AAAAAAAACCw/FPpUXPEp8v8/s1600/Duncan-the-Wonder-Dog-Vol-01-Show-One-SC.jpg

is AMAZING so far

inerview: http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/book-news/comics/article/45103-adam-hines-on-creating-duncan-the-wonder-dog-.html


he mentions it in there, but its got a heavy ware influence, but its not pastiche like ethan persoff's old stuff. Hines focuses on ware mainly in terms of composition, and it really works.

Did you finish this? Is it worth tracking down?

maxwell's demon
12-02-2010, 04:28 AM
Nope. Not reading any comics til after this weekend. Must....un....distract.....self.

Sandman
12-02-2010, 04:31 AM
I said nothing.:ninja:

Sandman
12-02-2010, 04:31 AM
Get back to work.

maxwell's demon
12-02-2010, 12:00 PM
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af107/tpddmn/460-1.jpg

Wilhelm
12-02-2010, 03:24 PM
That fatass is modern art. :eek:
It's beautiful...like the rock formations in Goblin Valley.

Assassin
12-02-2010, 04:33 PM
so i was buying the Walking dead hardcover for someone who i want to start reading it and of course no one has the first one in stock because of the show. I finally turned to Amazon.com. I have never used this in my life. I ended up getting it fairly cheep used and then i started shopping for myself. OMG don't tell my LCS :eek:

Assassin
12-02-2010, 05:15 PM
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/12/dculeg_cv8_var_r1.jpg
for jake

maxwell's demon
12-02-2010, 05:17 PM
amazing. amazing:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_64jRVt1CleE/THJtRuoAZYI/AAAAAAAAQis/cTL5MgbhF1M/s1600/SPEED9-53.jpg

Wilhelm
12-02-2010, 05:36 PM
That is, when I had a computer running, what got me excited to do this comic of mine, to use photoshop to mimic that shitty coloring where there's just a plane of red in pretty much the shape of the rocket, laid over the rocker, and of course the misregistered boots in the BANG! panel. I love that. :(
Like a Bazooka Joe comic...:(

Mee
12-02-2010, 09:00 PM
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/12/dculeg_cv8_var_r1.jpg
for jake

A red X would mean the world to him.

Wilhelm
12-02-2010, 09:02 PM
I see Darkseid busting up Archie Bunker's front room.

maxwell's demon
12-02-2010, 09:28 PM
i see darkseid about to flash his vajay to the paparazzi

Wilhelm
12-03-2010, 05:04 PM
Haha, Darkseid getting out of a limo and then a zoom in box...please some gifted artist draw that.
I can't draw limos. :(:(
Or Darkseid's genitals either, I can't.

Assassin
12-03-2010, 06:00 PM
mee sucks :mad:

maxwell's demon
12-04-2010, 11:21 PM
Brooklyn Comcis and GRaphics Fest: 10/10.
probably the best show i've ever been to. almost everything i love about comics concentrated into one location, and very little stuff i was not into. i'm broke now.

got to talk to matt groening and gary panter, amongst others :up:

Sandman
12-05-2010, 04:38 AM
My back hurts.:inrape:

maxwell's demon
12-05-2010, 04:38 AM
?

Sandman
12-05-2010, 04:41 AM
I put those books in my backpack because the plastic bag broke the minute I got back into the church. I've been carrying them since I saw you today. You're the best.:up: but my back hurts.

maxwell's demon
12-05-2010, 04:45 AM
:o

sorry.

but be prepared, i'll probly have the same amount or more come mocca., maybe i'll spread them out to your friends too or something. i thought noah might like that outsider comic compendium, the oversized one. i figure if theres anything you dont enjoy as much, you can probly sell it for a few books towards comics that you do want.

Jake
12-05-2010, 04:55 AM
i was gonna post this on LSP but i come to find it dooded, New Reply-wise. hope someone reads it.


http://deathtotheuniverse.blogspot.com/2010/12/notes-on-absolute-all-star-superman.html

maxwell's demon
12-05-2010, 05:07 AM
i will read it. how big is it, dimension-wise, anyhow? a hundred bucks is sorrt of steep.

Assassin
12-05-2010, 06:03 AM
jake did you like my gift?

maxwell's demon
12-05-2010, 07:04 AM
http://thefoxisblack.com/blogimages/graphic-comogony-nobrow-1.jpg

is really really good

http://www.fictionfred.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/a-graphic-cosmogony-03.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_w98mMyJR7aQ/TO-73kcMQQI/AAAAAAAAAgI/cqIXltlJlXw/s1600/graphcos_14.jpg

http://www.nobrow.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/graphcos_slide09.jpg

http://www.nobrow.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/graphcos_slide06.jpg

Daisy
12-06-2010, 01:45 PM
I like it. I LIKE it. :up:

Assassin
12-06-2010, 01:57 PM
Hook?

maxwell's demon
12-07-2010, 03:59 AM
Sandy, what'd you wind up picking up this weekend . Anything cool happen the rest o the weekend?

Sandman
12-07-2010, 04:41 AM
Mark Newgarden's cartoon screening was INcredible! So many great animations and gags, and some weird cultural dissonance. The Evan Dorkin, Paul Pope, and Dan Nadel conversation about I think Irwin Hasen (it went into talking about Jack Cole and a bunch of other artists) was great. Dorkin is a great critic, he knows his shit but his sense of humor and enthusiasm makes for great conversation. I had to leave before I could see Newgarden do his Semiotics of Nancy panel because otherwise I would have probably spent all my money for the weekend.

I got

Pizza Time by Jon Vermilya
Jin and Jam #1 by Hellen Joe
SM by DeForge and his Spider-Man comic
Smoke Signal
Dharbin's Enquirer
THB by Paul Pope
Only Skin #1 by Sean Ford

Sandman
12-07-2010, 04:57 AM
What did you get besides the Graphic Cosmogony and those other two books?

Mee
12-09-2010, 06:25 PM
It's time once again to check in with Neal Adams and Batman: Odyssey!


Aquaman: King of Atlantis, and country music superstar

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4396/batmanodyssey0011.jpg


Batman, world's greatest detective...

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/377/batmanodyssey001.jpg

Yes, he is so big.



http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7959/18748735.jpg


Good work on those^ backgrounds Neal. :up:


NEVER JUST CLOWNS

Sandman
12-09-2010, 06:37 PM
I never really liked Neal Adams art in Batman (he did amazing things at Marvel) that much to begin with. It was too Hal Foster, immaculately rendered but stiff, often lifeless, and a chore to slog through. This stuff reminds of Scott McCloud's first digital comics.

Sandman
12-09-2010, 06:39 PM
Actually, when you take the writing into account, this reminds me much more of the original superhero webcomics I was reading out of Google's browser categories back in 1999. So terrible. So incredibly terrible.

Mee
12-09-2010, 06:43 PM
Yeah when people said he was the greatest Batman artist I never got the appeal. :huh:


Mazzuchelli :inlove:

Wilhelm
12-09-2010, 06:47 PM
Neal Adams is my new favorite writer.
You couldn't make that shit up.


NEVER JUST CLOWNS

Sandman
12-09-2010, 06:48 PM
Have you read Asterios Polyp yet?

Mee
12-09-2010, 06:49 PM
Have you read Asterios Polyp yet?

I haven't read any Mazz outside of Year One :(


They have Born Again (which I've flipped through) at the local Barnes and Noble and I need to go snag it.

Mee
12-09-2010, 06:52 PM
Neal Adams is my new favorite writer.
You couldn't make that shit up.


NEVER JUST CLOWNS
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4876/44497827.jpg


NO NO NO! YOU HAVE DONE THE DEED!

Sandman
12-09-2010, 07:09 PM
Get Asterios Poylp instead. Born Again has some incredible work on Mazzuchelli's part, but for whatever reason (I'm not sure if it was editorial mandate or just it being her freshman work) his wife's colors are much more representational rather than her expressionistic and thought out work in Year One. Especially on the glossy paper they print it on now, it distracts from the art and cohesion of the page and makes it read awkwardly. Stick with Year One, once you've read on Frank Miller story you have read them all and Year One is the better work on the part of both Mazzuchelli and Richmond Lewis.

Now, Asterios Polyp, that book is pure craft. Are you taking any comic classes at SCAD yet? Have you read Comics and Sequential Art?

Wilhelm
12-09-2010, 07:14 PM
Oh man, is that Dead Man there? I totally empathize with Dead Man there.
They should just have an omnipresent Dead Man pop up in random panels of all DC comics, with commentary.
That'd be the best.

Mee
12-09-2010, 07:31 PM
Now, Asterios Polyp, that book is pure craft. Are you taking any comic classes at SCAD yet? Have you read Comics and Sequential Art?

Not yet, I wanted to get Life Drawing and Intro to Computer Art in first. Sharpen up my figures/shading and get an idea of some computer coloring hopefully. I'm taking those next quarter, and planning for Intro to Sequential the quarter after.

Sandman
12-10-2010, 01:12 AM
In the meantime, read Comics and Sequential Art by Will Eisner, it's not the be all end all that people make it out to be but reading it now will give you a leg up.

Sandman
12-10-2010, 07:40 PM
Some posts that needed to be saved

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg02.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg03.jpg

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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg05.jpg

Sandman
12-10-2010, 07:41 PM
Continued

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg06.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg07.jpg
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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg09.jpg

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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg13.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg14.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/09/unauthorizedcomicpg15.jpg


MESMO DELIVERY by Rafael Grampa - Dark Horse Comics (american reprint)


CAVEAT:the last 22 pages of this are a sketchbook, so just as you feel you're heading to the finale, and you see the chunk of paper left to read, you realize, you turn the page and realize there isn't really going to be one.


But take that the caveat with a grain fo salt. This book is still worth it.

I KNEW Mesmo wouldn't be a plot heavy piece and the strength would be in the drawing, and it is. But with some artists, the drawn elements become the writing, or at least another layer of it. I had hoped that'd be true here (based on the couple pages i'd seen), and it is. His shading is obsessive but not pointlessly overdone, and his page layouts are impeccably layered. A review on the back cover calls them cinematic, and while that might be fair, i think it does Grampas work a disservice.

REALLY, my first thought upon seeing the first image from this book was 'wow, he's doing Jim Thompson level 'Killer Inside Me' Southern Pulp Surrealism as a comic. I didn't even think that was possible. And he really delivers on that front. He's got great characters models, a great sense of space, pace, and dynamism. Everything feels dusty, like there's a bit of mudcake flaking off of it all, and his background details....they're not just eye candy.
Again, it's the first time i can remember buying an overtly rendered art book and taking a minute or so with each panel (and the dialogue in this book is pretty sparse). i was really 'reading' the art. The crows, the signage, and other motifs/symbolism, it all feels that feel fully realized. Every inch of it feels written, not just the word balloons.that's a great accomplishment.


BUT there is the matter off that last 22 pages. its a dirty trick. if you're being harsh, this is really just the opening scene of a larger story which will probably never get made. if you're being a bit more generous, it's a good short story that could've been a great one, solid enough to appear in lots of year end Fiction anthologies (and this again, is all on the strength not of the overt script but the art that elevates and comments on it).

AND about that 22 pages. its not a bad addition, i was glad to see a lot of his thumbnails. felt i learned a few things about how to make comics more effective just by looking at his train off thought.



If i had one wish, it'd be for him to speed up and take on Daredevil, because the Idea of a Jim Thompsonesque DD really sounds great to me. I mean, he went on the road once. i'd love to see DD temporarily relocated to some South Carolinian for Oklahoman troubled town, even if it was just a 4 issue stint. But really i'd want a a few years out of it. something to match the length and depth of the Bendis/Maleev run.


That's too fun that you'd ask me. What's going on? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/Suspicious_Emoticon.gif
Well, I only love a few artists and I love them so much that everyone else looks bad even if they're pretty good.



Jack Kirby is God.
(One weird thing is that I love Vince Colletta's inking on him. Most people act like Colletta was a baby raper/eater. It wouldn't have been such a brain exploding excitement when you found a reprint of an old Thor or some Jimmy Olsens, or Spirit World, if they had the fidelity and bold lines of Royer or the polish of Joe Sinnot.)

My next favorite style is a bundle of Superman and Batman in the 50's and 60's...Dick Sprang, Wayne Boring. Most of my weird comic ideas, I want them to look like an old Wayne Boring Superman. Only God can be God so I wannabe a Dick Sprang/Mike Allred/Wayne Boring hybrid, 'cause that is delicious, old looking stuff.

If I wasn't the type who liked doing acid, who was into extreme and weird things that twist my brain and make my mouth hang open, I'd say John Romita was God...so much so that I'm not going to add the "Sr.". :o
Of course on Spider-Man, that is perfect comic book art, representational and sensational. You can't improve upon his genius. :huh: Also, he does the hottest chicks on Earth...I mean, not counting Frank Frazetta and Wally Wood and a gaggle of Filipino dudes who did Vampirella and stuff.
I fucking love Wally Wood but I rarely get to see anything he did.
I want to get that big fantasy epic he did.
Just seeing ads for it, a couple pages from it, in an article, was a huge influence on me...and you've all seen his Disney orgy, right?
God bless him for using his talents in such a way at that time.


Those are the big 3 timeless, immortal styles to me, then you get into the greatest of the mortals.


I love Johnny Craig. I want to eat and fuck his art. I was so sad when I'd buy a new EC reprint in the 90's, if there wasn't any Johnny Craig. I copied that shit?[/Puerto Rican]


I didn't always like the scratchy, shade-heavy, artsy stuff by Gene Colan, but as I got older I realized I missed that dirty, 70's, animal feeling from his Sub-Mariner, Iron Man, DRACULA and like that Batman he did where Batman became a vampire. To me that's the exciting, raunchy world of swingers, Satanists and hippies going on around me as I was a kid, so I must try to mimic him now. All his chicks look drunk and his men are coneheads. :huh:

Not because I identified with it or worshiped it from my heart, but purely for entertainment, like, getting sucked into the story, I liked the detailed, slick, pro, realer-looking stuff in the 70's, Neal Adams of course...but some of the stuff I thought was Neal Adams really wasn't. In that style I was blown away by José Luis García-López. :huh:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/hulkbatman.jpg
Why doesn't anyone ever talk about him? :huh:
Racists.


Welp, I discovered all the old guys later. As a little kid I liked reading the old comics at my Grandpa's, the comics at baby-sitter's houses, the Kung Fu comics at hippie pads, comics "big kids" had, my parents would buy me one here and there...but my true comics mania occurred in the 80's of course.
So, I couldn't stand that shitty old art from the olden times, the big three now were:



George Perez
John Byrne
Keith Giffen

'Cause the big three comics were, Teen Titans, Fantastic Four and The Legion of Superheroes. (I loved X-Men but it was more like a fuck buddy than a lover and I didn't even see the John Byrne X-Men till way later, reprinted) If one of those guys drew it, it was a portal to a magical world...or in Perez's case, a cooler version of our world. I didn't feel like a Perez/Byrne/Giffen "fan"...those were just the 3 guys on Earth who drew comics good. Hahaha
So, I don't agree with the Perez/Byrne aesthetic anymore, but I still respect and have affection for the stuff from before John Byrne went to fucking shit. God he nosedived. I'll forgive him just for the joy I get from his version of the Thing and how awesome those F4's and Alpha Flights were.

Being into Led Zeppelin and D+D stuff, Walt Simonson's Thors soon overtook Perez and Byrne...I love the bulk, the mass of his creations, (his chick-asses are legendary in my circle..."No, not Frazetta-ass, I'm talking Walt Simonson ass...:eek:"), I'm just a little embarrassed by his lines now.

With Giffen though!...right around the time I was seeing the flaws in his Legion of Superheroes...right around the time I was starting to long for more clean, bold stuff like Jaime Hernandez, and running into old New Gods at Utah Comics and going "WHAT. the FUcK...is THIS?!? :eek:" (and I think, even John Byrne was getting more Kirby-y, I cherished this poster he did that showed all the F4 villains, it had a Kirbyesque Mad Thinker's Android that destroyed me.) I was already loving the insanity of Ambush Bug (not the comedy, Jake :rolleyes:, the insanity) but then Keith Giffen used Ambush Bug miniserieses to showcase his radical style change into Kirbyesque, like, Japanese calligraphy inking, and I devoured that shit.
This was magical, how often does the world go that well, this former hero of mine grew into the same direction I was growing into. So I loved him and he helped me put aside rapidograph pens and gallons of busy, skinny chicken scratches forever.

Also, you have to mention Frank Miller. I wouldn't mimic him now, but Ronin?...shit...exciting.
And I liked Mike Mignola and respected his weird blocky stuff so much more than the really pedestrian "I want to be the Curt Swan of the 80's" stuff you'd see from others...and I like how he's only made things more distorted and blocky and...counter...something.

I liked Jim Aparo, but in the way you'd like a Capri Sun on the last day of school and then throw it away, and Dick Giordano, he was like the "make it look good" machine. :up:

And in the 90's I delighted in Mike Allred and Geoff Darrow and still do.

I'm jealous of Wayne Boring and Mike Allred...and I'm in denial about how jealous I am of Romita...'cause I could do Boring/Allred but never Romita...so I can't think about him too much or it's depressing. :huh:
I'm not jealous of Jack Kirby at all though. He's just...the Force, the Universe, the Beauty in Life...the Love of Beauty...The Happy Inspiration.


Oh, since you're a Sandman fan, I've never mentioned, but you may be slightly interested to hear, that one of the artist's back in the day was a dude named Mike Dringenberg.
He lived in S.L.C., Utah at the time, and it's a very small, incestuous city...so literally anyone who was into weird stuff...Goths, Punks, Industrial Sculptors, Comic Geeks, S+M Freaks, etc., knew each other.

So, Mike Dringenberg was an insufferable fucking dick-fuck asshole prick beyond belief.
He was totally arrogant, like a cartoon stereotype of an arrogant person, only much ulgier than most arrogant people are.
There was "the" open-all-night diner called Bill + Nada's...and we were both there one night and we got into this fight because I said I liked John Byrne's Fantastic Four and as if he was Frasier Crane or something, he goes, "HA!..........if you're into that.....juvenile stuff. :rolleyes: :o"

And I mentioned that Jack Kirby is God and he goes, "Cute...he did some cute stuff. He's a hoot, lol."

I had never even heard of Sandman. He'd just go to the only coffee house in town and to Bill + Nada's to make a display of the fact that he was drawing stuff on huge boards, in public...but I only saw sketches.


But I was so pleased when later, I was seeing this girl who insisted that I read all of her Sandman comics, and I looked in the back and saw a letter that said, "PLEASE! You have GOT to lose this Dringenberg guy! :( Ever since he took over pencils the book looks like S.H.I.T."

Hahahaha

Wilhelm
12-10-2010, 08:14 PM
God bless you and your efforts.
I would have saved that artists one had I remembered it.
We are losing so much because of Jessiluka.
Incalculable

Assassin
12-10-2010, 08:36 PM
Jim Aparo is better than what you described him.

Wilhelm
12-10-2010, 09:04 PM
Yeah but on a hot summer day an ice cold Capri Sun can be magical.

Mee
12-10-2010, 09:39 PM
Jim Aparo might as well be Neal Adams.

Assassin
12-11-2010, 04:30 AM
you mean like that garbage you posted on the other page? you take that back you piece of shit

Mee
12-11-2010, 04:41 AM
Nooo I meant old 70s Neal Adams.

Jake
12-13-2010, 07:30 PM
Amazing is pretty good right now

Assassin
12-14-2010, 04:23 AM
jake didja see the FQ darkseid?

Mee
12-18-2010, 01:34 PM
So Marvel's new mega-event looks to be interesting-ish. Maybe. As far as mega-events go.

http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/comics/article/updated-marvel-teaser-do-you-fear-tomorrow-118777

maxwell's demon
12-18-2010, 02:00 PM
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7000000/scarecrow-batman-the-animated-series-7016155-400-300.jpg

Sandman
12-18-2010, 09:53 PM
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins01.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins02.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins03.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins04.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins05.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins06.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins07.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins08.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins09.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins10.jpg
http://ape-law.com/jonmorris/alien/supervillainsorigins11.jpg

Dear Stuart Immonen, please leave your wife and take me in a manly fashion.

maxwell's demon
12-19-2010, 02:20 AM
i like when nonflying superheroes are shown flying. because to me it means everyone is really just jumping in unison.

EML
12-20-2010, 02:35 AM
So Marvel's new mega-event looks to be interesting-ish. Maybe. As far as mega-events go.

http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/comics/article/updated-marvel-teaser-do-you-fear-tomorrow-118777

So, when does this start and what do I have to know to be "up to speed" by the time it starts?

Mee
12-20-2010, 03:07 PM
I don't really follow Marvel too closely, so I really don't know. Peter Parker and Mary Jane are not married anymore. :eek:

Sandman
12-22-2010, 03:46 PM
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/20/electro128-02b.jpg

Spoons
12-22-2010, 11:30 PM
So, when does this start and what do I have to know to be "up to speed" by the time it starts?

The event's supposed villain is Phobos; son of Ares. He's in "Secret Warriors" so I guess read that if you want. It's a good book but you'll only like it if you like Nick Fury since it revolves around him. Other than that, the event itself should do a good job explaining what it is that everybody is afraid of. Cyclops is the only one who might be complicated. He's been basically turning into Magneto with his X-Force team and his "ends justifying the means" attitude as of late. Magneto's a good guy now BTW.

Chances are, most people here will hate it though, but w/e.

Mee
12-23-2010, 04:38 AM
I liked Civil War alright, lotta dumb things in it but a fun read, and Final Crisis was good. I don't think I've read any other mega-events other than Identity and Infinite Crisis, didn't like those.

Sandman
12-25-2010, 04:54 PM
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/cheryl-blossom/14-1.jpg

Assassin
12-25-2010, 07:00 PM
Batman Inc #2 was good

JLBats
12-26-2010, 01:23 AM
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/cheryl-blossom/14-1.jpg

Filthy... but genuinely erotic.

Mee
12-27-2010, 02:07 AM
I got some Dini/Nguyen Tec for Christmas, sooo good. Nguyen has really turned into a great Batman artist, his first arc back with Winnick I thought he was okay, but now he's great. :inlove:

Sandman
12-27-2010, 04:49 AM
I haven't read any of his work, only caught brief glimpses skimming through, but I like what I've seen. It reminds me of Jill Thompson's interpretation of Mignola in the recent Beasts of Burden/Hellboy Comic.

Mee
12-27-2010, 02:08 PM
I'd really like to see him watercolor (like his covers) a whole issue.

maxwell's demon
12-31-2010, 02:49 AM
so someone left the place where allison works, heard that i liked comics, so she gave allison 19 graphic novels from First Second to give to me.

Sandman
12-31-2010, 03:51 AM
:up::up:

Jake
01-03-2011, 05:10 PM
i haven't gotten comics in like 3 weeks. or more. i'm po

maxwell's demon
01-03-2011, 05:14 PM
you should get them for free like me.

Mee
01-03-2011, 05:15 PM
I need to pick up Inc #2, haven't gotten around to it. :(

Jake
01-04-2011, 03:26 PM
Flex Mentallo gettin' collected:


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30168






Which, btw maxwell, I read a while back and consider a very precious gift.

Ferocia Coutura
01-04-2011, 05:15 PM
The inclusion of Cheryl Blossom in here makes me happy.

Plus I love those little Superman villain origin comics.:)

Sandman
01-05-2011, 03:48 AM
Flex Mentallo getting collected is fantastic news, but now I feel bad for not reading it as a pamphlet when I had the excuse. I wonder if prices will go down on the pamphlets now. Anyway:

http://www.boingboing.net/JimPen.jpg

:faint:

Jim Woodring is a fucking God.

Wilhelm
01-05-2011, 06:10 PM
The Stranger just gave him a Genius Award and yesterday I read in the shit-ass free Seattle Art magazine, a column by a pissed, jealous artist who said, "Genius?! There aren't even any words in his book!"

:ugh:

The column was about how jealousy is bad for the Seattle art scene. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/verysadgm0.gif), so I thought he was hyperbolizin' his own petty, tiny jealousy...but later he mentioned it again and like, forgave him for not having words...like, "It's not Woodring's fault there are no words...it's my fault because I need to work harder if I want to be noticed."

:rolleyes:

jackrabbit
01-05-2011, 07:14 PM
http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-1881.png

:(

Sandman
01-06-2011, 08:23 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PB-O1yT5EYg/TRlWqnux2RI/AAAAAAABK4Q/COP4BgQfzwU/s1600/22_bushmiller_society.jpg

I want this so bad. Would wear it on my lapel every day and get a cracker jack decoder ring to go along with it.

http://goldenagecomicbookstories.blogspot.com/2010/12/pin-backs.html

Mee
01-06-2011, 11:09 PM
Keith Wood (and some other dude) is gonna be at SCAD tomorrow doing a lecture, should I go?

Sandman
01-06-2011, 11:16 PM
I had to look him up. Seems like he handles "production" (I'm guessing this means design and logistics) for a lot of diverse titles under a lot of diverse publishers. Probably worth checking out.

Mee
01-07-2011, 06:43 PM
I didn't go.


The email was hyping him and the other guy as the creators of Scott Pilgrim, I had to look him up too. :huh:

Sandman
01-07-2011, 08:48 PM
Was the other guy Bryan Lee O'Malley?

Mee
01-07-2011, 10:05 PM
James Lucas Jones

Dean
01-08-2011, 10:35 PM
jptstlp

Sandman
01-09-2011, 11:07 PM
http://www.afnews.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/SteveCanyonSecretMission.jpg

Milton Caniff invented Jack Kirby.

Jake
01-09-2011, 11:58 PM
fantastic four is rlly good right now

Sandman
01-10-2011, 12:05 AM
Who's on it? What are your thoughts on Batman Inc.?

Jake
01-10-2011, 12:33 AM
Hickman and Epting are on FF



Batman Inc is good. The art is OK I guess. I like how Grant has Batman use new ridiculous gadgets without explaining them at all, like the giant air bags in issue 1. Batman should just have stuff. The opening two issues, the Japan arc, was fun. Lord Death Man was, as the old folk say, a riot.

Jake
01-10-2011, 12:34 AM
also i really like Ramos' art on this Amazing Spider-Man arc

Assassin
01-10-2011, 02:49 AM
who do you think is gonna die jake?

sandy did you like batwoman #0? loved the way he wrote bruce wayne

Sandman
01-10-2011, 02:58 AM
I liked it. I thought giving Bruce the authorial voice for the issue made sense from the perspective of it being a recap, but worked against what I like about Batwoman. Love Amy Reeder's art and I hope that they do an annual where her and Williams get to collaborate like that again. I can't wait to see her solo issues and I'll be very interested to see how she handles Batwoman scenes. It's the only big two monthly that I'll be following regularly in 2011.

Assassin
01-10-2011, 03:05 AM
i don't care who you are, the Bat begins and ends with Bruce Wayne. he has to get involved.

Sandman
01-10-2011, 03:12 AM
I liked her independence from the continuity cluster fuck that is the "batfamily". But that JHWIII panel of Batman looking through binoculars with giant googly eyes alone was worth any gripes I may have with the issue.

Jake
01-10-2011, 03:34 AM
who do you think is gonna die jake?


dunno. not Sue. either Reed and it ends up Real Reed was switched out with one of the others from Hickman's first arc, or like...Ben. Ben would be the most emotional loss for the readers

Sandman
01-10-2011, 03:51 AM
I haven't been following this outside of blog comments but isn't Ben already set to appear in some upcoming event?

Assassin
01-10-2011, 03:56 AM
i think johnny. he's the only one that hasn't had anything happen to him.

Sandman
01-10-2011, 03:57 AM
How many times have each of them died so far anyway?

Assassin
01-10-2011, 04:02 AM
sue dies twice a year

Sandman
01-10-2011, 04:04 AM
http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/xml/services/home/environ/waste/recycle/recyclingdirectory/Refrigerator.jpg

Jake
01-10-2011, 04:36 AM
i dunno i haven't read FF enough to have compiled the assuredly numerous deaths suffered by their members in the 80s, 90s, and 00s.


the letters column of the last ish has a line where Hickman says he will address the issue of death in regards to the FF, though.

Sandman
01-10-2011, 04:57 AM
They still have a letters column? I thought they got rid of that shit ages ago. I can't believe DC is trying to make a publicity stung out of bringing a letters column back.

Jake
01-10-2011, 05:37 AM
FF and Amazing have letter columns, have for as long as I've been reading (a few years on Amazing). Probs cuz they're Marvel's grandpa books. I doubt Wolverine or some shit has one. Maybe Uncanny would? I dunno.


I like Casanova's letter column replacement best, where Fraction does an interview or writes an autobiographical piece.

Jake
01-10-2011, 06:01 AM
anyway FF is the shit right now



Val & some genius Moloid kids & a kid clone of The Wizard & Dragon Man & some Power Pack dork came up with a formula that lets Thing revert to human form for like, a week at a time. I think it's an annual thing? But I can't remember.

So Ben is human now


Sue is trying to unite four new races or some shit, it's pretty lame but one of the races is "old atlanteans" and Namor killed their king last ish, haha. Namor says they plan to turn on Sue.

Reed is off with Galactus and Surfer on Nu-World, Galactus got pissed that future Nu-Worlders (this is from teh Millar arc) had to split because the sun died and beat the fuck out of Galactus and used him to power their escape across time and space. Reed buried future Galactus' carcass underground but Surfer found it and is pissed and of course Galactus is pissed too. So they went to Nu-World like I said before and now Galactus is eating the fuck out of it.

Annihilus is also attacking and only Human Torch, human Ben, and the kids are around. Annihilus bugs and shit are trying to get into the Negative Zone and shit, bust out Annihilus, and like, there's also Annihilus bug things disguised as humans, starting a cult behind a charismatic dude called the Anti-Priest. Basically trying to achieve the second Annihilation Wave, the first of which I guess was in that one event from a few years ago...Annihilation.:o


A few issues ago Val went to Latveria and struck some sort of deal with Dr. Doom.



It's pretty fuckin rad

Jake
01-10-2011, 06:02 AM
and Epting is good at drawing. and he is drawing shit like Galactus' bendy spaceship home.

Sandman
01-10-2011, 06:17 AM
Did you read any of Strange Tales II, Jake?

Assassin
01-10-2011, 06:43 AM
i have all 4 issues of the three arc and i'm planing on reading them on the toilet tomorrow.

better be good jake.

Jake
01-10-2011, 08:00 PM
Did you read any of Strange Tales II, Jake?

i read the ish with the rad Grampa story about Wolverine and the Perry Bible Fellowship Galactus/Magneto gag

Sandman
01-11-2011, 01:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEbf0tN_f1w

Assassin
01-11-2011, 03:57 AM
read the first 2 issues of F4 "three" arc and they are pretty damn good bro

Holly
01-11-2011, 08:51 PM
i come here to look at pretty pictures and there are none. wtf

edit: i cone?

Sandman
01-11-2011, 11:00 PM
I'm only one man Holly.:mad:

Just got Weathercraft today.:inlove:

maxwell's demon
01-11-2011, 11:47 PM
is that your first woodring book?

also:
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af107/tpddmn/art/reference%20files/crime12-big.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af107/tpddmn/art/reference%20files/rightaroundhome01-big.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af107/tpddmn/art/reference%20files/dogs05.png

Sandman
01-12-2011, 12:29 AM
I've got some of the second volume issues of Jim.

Sandman
01-12-2011, 12:30 AM
But they're his colored stuff and its glossy paper and Weathercraft is much more beautiful.:inlove:

Holly
01-12-2011, 05:09 AM
max, what happens to Mrs. Smith?!

Wilhelm
01-12-2011, 06:29 PM
Well, you don't see ads for models of surfing Mod musicians in a garbage truck in comics today.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/1968garbagetruck-620x441.jpg

tiny white penis
01-12-2011, 07:32 PM
max, what happens to Mrs. Smith?!

She burned to death in a fire and the guys got away because that crime of a blue dress didn't pay.

maxwell's demon
01-12-2011, 08:00 PM
no

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af107/tpddmn/art/reference%20files/crime13.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af107/tpddmn/art/reference%20files/crime14.jpg
aan then they caught the guys and sent them to the gas chamber. ACTUAL TRUE REAL STORY.

Wilhelm
01-12-2011, 08:02 PM
I hate being on fire when you can't scream. :down::mad:

Sandman
01-12-2011, 11:47 PM
Totally takes all the fun out of it.

Sandman
01-13-2011, 09:38 AM
http://www.maakies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Maakies-SUN-CORRECTED.png

Sandman
01-18-2011, 11:19 PM
Wednesday Comics II? (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/01/more-wednesday-comics-on-the-way/)

EML
01-18-2011, 11:35 PM
I have been patiently waiting for my Y: The Last Man Deluxe Book 2 to come from Amazon for the last week. Now, I am starting to get annoyed. :inhate:

Assassin
01-19-2011, 12:28 AM
did u buy it from amazon or a vendor?

EML
01-19-2011, 01:17 AM
From Amazon, I believe.

Assassin
01-19-2011, 01:46 AM
damn, Amazon usually is pretty fast, they told me 2 weeks and it came in 3 days, 2 days before Christmas :huh:

Faustus
01-19-2011, 03:57 AM
For the first time in years I bought a comic book. Two, actually.
Batman Incorporated.

It was retarded. Lesson learned.

Assassin
01-19-2011, 05:01 AM
it's not a good jump on point :mad:

maxwell's demon
01-19-2011, 12:27 PM
why would you buy a superhero comic ?

Sandman
01-20-2011, 12:22 AM
http://comicscomicsmag.com/wp-content/uploads/CaptainIsraelcover.jpg

EML
01-20-2011, 06:54 AM
My Y: The Last Man book finally arrived :inlove:

Jake
01-20-2011, 08:40 AM
how can someone not like Batman Incorporated



total retardation. why is the world like this.

Assassin
01-20-2011, 12:45 PM
he hasn't read anything leading up to it, that's why.

Assassin
01-20-2011, 12:45 PM
also, meeting Brad Meltzer again today.

Wilhelm
01-20-2011, 02:47 PM
http://comicscomicsmag.com/wp-content/uploads/CaptainIsraelcover.jpgThis is weird timing for me as I have been watching a ton of anti-Semitic videos last week and this where they whine about the big Jewish media push to lump Anti-Zionists in with Anti-Semitics. Now there is hero who goes out of his way to fight both on the cover of his first issue......featuring, Mark Twain. :huh:

Sandman
01-20-2011, 05:26 PM
I don't know what to make of it.

maxwell's demon
01-20-2011, 05:36 PM
do they http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6gz3gKA3l1qzelz9o1_400.jpg team up or are they enemies?

Sandman
01-20-2011, 05:38 PM
AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHH!:dood:

Wilhelm
01-20-2011, 05:47 PM
I don't know what to make of it.My thought: Someone just discovered the "add a layer of glare in photoshop" button.

Sandman
01-20-2011, 06:02 PM
Definitely.

In other news: Habibi comes out September 20th (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/01/craig-thompsons-habibi-due-out-on-sept-20/)

Assassin
01-20-2011, 08:05 PM
Definitely.

In other news: Habibi comes out September 20th (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/01/craig-thompsons-habibi-due-out-on-sept-20/)

why does it have an Arabic title? what's it about?

Mee
01-20-2011, 08:10 PM
why would you buy a superhero comic ?

Don't be like this max. :(